The technology itself that comes from these major corporations, they want you to use systems that don't actually work.

And they want you to be happy about it.

And that I think is what leads people to becoming tech pessimists is because you look at the technology that is surrounding you in your life.

And it's just ceasing to work.

And it literally feels like it's flipping you off all the time.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Gita Jackson.

If you're a regular listener of the show, you will probably be familiar with Gita already,

as they have been a previous guest and also appeared on the end-of-year live streams that I do. But maybe you also read their work at Aftermath, a great video game and

culture news site that if you're not reading right now, you absolutely should. Really, I had Gita on

this week because they wrote a fantastic piece about why the left doesn't actually hate technology.

You know, the right is kind of making these arguments at the moment that the left hates technology and hates AI,

and that means that the right is, you know, kind of more forward thinking, more embracing of the future.

They are correct. And we know that that is not the truth. So I figured I needed to have Gita on in order to talk about this.

I thought it was worth having a conversation with Gita, especially to break up, you know,

our kind of episodes on Jeffrey Epstein about why the left doesn't really hate technology,

or at least, you know, most of the left.

But the problem is the type of technology that comes out of this at least, you know, most of the left. But the problem is the type of

technology that comes out of this system that, you know, Silicon Valley has created, but that is

associated with, you know, capitalism and the incentives that come from that system and the type of

technology that comes out of that system that then produces tech that works against

our interests, right? That doesn't really serve us. And thus, as a result, we have to push back on,

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