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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

Everybody agrees now to some degree.

That model where foreigners overseas are just the targets.

We're moving away from that to some degree.

We're acknowledging, and this is of course what the European Court of Justice opinion this week was about.

We seem to be acknowledging that there is some degree of privacy interest worldwide

that our activity implicates that we acknowledge.

Now, this is a very, very profound change.

And the question is to put it crudely, are we serious about that?

This is going to be a huge undercurrent of the next phase of debate.

And the reason quite simply is that 95% of the world,

which the intelligence community looks at and sees targets,

and Facebook and Google look at and they see customers.

I'm Cody Poplin, and this is the LawFair podcast October 17, 2015.

That was the voice of none other than Benjamin Wittis.

LawFair's co-founder and editor-in-chief.

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