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The Lawfare Podcast: Helen Mohrmann on Cybersecurity in an Insecure Environment

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🗓️ 9 October 2015

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

As listeners may know, while we often talk about cybersecurity on the show, Brookings itself has been subject to a number of cyber-attacks in recent years. Those attacks have ranged  from infiltrations led by Chinese government-affiliated units to the more run-of-the-mill hacker intrusions targeting credit and financial information.

This week on the Lawfare Podcast, Helen Mohrmann, the Chief Information Officer at the Brookings Institution, discusses the difficulties of securing a large, public facing organization from a vast array of cyber-attacks. Helen walks Ben through the threat environment that an organization like Brookings faces (and how that is continuously changing) and she outlines some of the steps organizations and individuals can take to shore up their own security.

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So some of our users, for example, say, well, I'm not a target.

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Nobody's going to care about what I'm doing because I'm just the librarian.

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Or I don't work on anything that would be interesting to these foreign governments.

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But the task is that all they care about is how they get in.

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And once they get in, even if it's through an admin assistant to or an accountant's desktop,

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then they look to move laterally throughout the network.

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So it's not enough to just secure certain accounts or certain servers.

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We have to lock down and protect everything as much as we possibly can.

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And then there's the task of end user communication and education.

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By far, the easiest way for an outside actor to get in is through a fishing email.

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Somebody is in a hurry and clicks on something without thinking about whether it completely makes sense

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or without inspecting the information about the email to see if it's legitimate.

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And then software can be downloaded onto their computer from a website or something without being any the wiser.

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I'm Cody Poplin, and this is a law fair podcast October 10, 2015.

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That was Helen Mormon, the Chief Information Officer at the Brookings Institution,

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discussing the difficulties of securing a large public-facing organization from a vast array of cyber-attacks.

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