Joby Warrick and William McCants at the Hoover Book Soiree
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🗓️ 23 October 2015
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Joby Warrick, author of Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS, and William McCants, author of The ISIS Apocalypse: The History, Strategy, and Doomsday Vision of the Islamic State, join Benjamin Wittes in the first Hoover Book Soiree.
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| 0:29.0 | And this runs through like a bright line through the whole history of the Islamic state. |
| 0:39.0 | Is it's audacity? |
| 0:41.0 | Jihadists are used to speaking the language of weakness. |
| 0:45.0 | The West is so strong, we are so weak, we cannot possibly reestablish the caliphate. |
| 0:51.0 | We will try and try, but it's generations of struggle to come. |
| 0:55.0 | The power and his successors spoke the language of strength. |
| 0:59.0 | Even when it was absurd to do so, they proclaimed the Islamic state in 2006 when they controlled no territory. |
| 1:07.0 | And they were beaten to a pulp in 2007, 2008. |
| 1:12.0 | And yet kept promising we will make a comeback. |
| 1:15.0 | It was a consistent message of strength. |
| 1:17.0 | There was almost a field of dreams type approach. |
| 1:20.0 | They kept willing it into existence. |
| 1:23.0 | And I think for many of the younger generation, that was attractive. |
| 1:27.0 | Especially when it started to become a reality. |
| 1:30.0 | With the Syrian civil war, they began to take territory on the ground. |
| 1:34.0 | And then victory, wed success, more recruits, more money. |
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