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Hello and welcome to Trumpcast. I'm Virginia Heffernin. Trumpcast is the show about the

treaging, bellowing, golfing, global migraine known as Donald Trump. But today we're not

talking about the president or not directly. We're talking about his progeny and specifically,

the lovely and talented Ivanka Trump, child of his first wife.

Ah, swan-necked, wide-eyed, no-nosed, a delicate chin and platonic female figure scalpeled

out of tender, teenaged flesh. That carriage, that single process blonde hair with honey highlights,

that strange, affected but not uncharming way of talking, and those men. All around her,

fallen hot water and getting hotter. The brother, the husband and that high-placed father. Does

Ivanka feel like the walls are closing in? Does she ever toss turn paste, turn to benzos

or at least a mascara preserving fit of weeping? And is she herself in big, big trouble?

We'll be back to talk to Sarah Ellison, a writer for Vanity Fair about Ivanka Trump. But

first, this message.

With me in the studio to talk about Ivanka Trump is Sarah Ellison, a writer for Vanity Fair,

whose piece in the current issue is called Exiles on Pennsylvania Avenue, how Jared and Ivanka

were repelled by Washington's elite. Sarah, I'm so glad to see you.

It's great to be here. We're here to do for a coffee, but we're going to pretend this is a

close second. Social life. So we're talking about what we would probably be talking about

over coffee anyway, which is Ivanka Trump. How is she just known? I saw you in your great

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