The Labor Movement Refuses to Be Destroyed By Trump with Julie Su

Factually! with Adam Conover

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4.4 • 2.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Trump despises the average worker and has spent the past several months doing everything he can to demolish the labor protections that Americans of previous generations fought and died to win. We’re at an inflection point for the future of American labor, with our very livelihoods in the balance. Julie Su has been a civil rights attorney, California’s Labor Commissioner, and then acting Secretary of Labor in the last Biden Administration. Few people in America are better equipped to describe the unique challenges the labor movement faces in this moment and how exactly we can roll up our sleeves to fight back. This week, Adam sits with Julie to get real about what the average American needs to be doing to protect our rights as workers.

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0:51.6	Hey there, welcome to Factually.
0:52.5	I'm Adam Conover.
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1:04.3	You know, Labor Day was just a little while ago. And if you know anything about me, you know that that's an important day to me because I care about the labor movement very deeply.
1:11.4	I owe so much of my life and my career to the fact that I'm a member of two strong militant unions.
1:17.2	Our strikes in 2023, being a part of those strikes was one of the most important things I've ever done in my life because it taught me that when average people get together
1:22.3	and fight like hell for what we deserve, we can force those in power to give us what we want.
1:28.5	Not ask, not vote, not donate or hope.
1:32.2	We can force them to make the world better and to do what we demand them to do.
1:39.5	That lesson was so important to me because it also showed how the labor movement has transformed America
1:46.0	itself over the centuries. The labor movement is what gave us the eight-hour day, overtime pay,
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