This is exactly right. This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised. Just. Hello and welcome to the knife off record. I'm Hannah Smith. I'm Pasha Eaton.

Today we both have stories of disappearances, but you're going to go first, and this is a

story that I know has become pretty personal to you over the years. Yeah, it has, and I will just

get right into it. Okay, great. So the story that I'm going to be telling you today started for me

about two years ago when I met a woman named Lisa Sayers,

whose daughter Samantha, has been missing since August 1st, 2018. And I initially had reached out

Lisa two-ish years ago now, a little over two years ago now, about working on a series about

Sam's disappearance. And for a lot of reasons, that didn't

happen the way we'd all hoped it would. But Lisa became my friend. And we continued talking. We stayed in

touch. And we got pretty close. And at this time, I had recently had a baby girl and, you know,

call it like postpartum hormones or just plain old human connection,

Lisa's heartache and living in this world that was still turning despite her daughter having

just disappeared was palpable. And it's a pain I hope I never fully understand.

But her love for her daughter is something that I do now understand.

And it really, like, drew me to Lisa and what she was going through and connected me to her story in this new way that I hadn't experienced before.

And so when I met Lisa, she had survived cancer,

but she was living with active disease. And unfortunately, her cancer returned, and she did pass

away in June of 2025. It was really difficult. You know, I spoke to Lisa maybe a day or two before

she passed. She was just an incredible person. And

Lisa had told me that her greatest fear was not dying, but it was leaving behind the people that she

loved and not being able to continue to push for the search for Sam and for her to be found.

Because she was the one that was still pushing for that.

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