The Incompetence of Boris Johnson
TALKING POLITICS
Catherine Carr
4.7 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 10 September 2020
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
This week we talk about the politics of incompetence: when does it matter and when can politicians get away with it. Have repeated u-turns during the pandemic damaged the government? Has Nicola Sturgeon had a better crisis than Boris Johnson or is it just competence theatre? Is the government's incompetence going to be enough to get Keir Starmer into Downing Street? With Helen Thompson, Chris Brooke and Chris Bickerton.
Talking Points:
Competence: does it matter?
- What kinds of incompetence are likely to do this government the most harm?
- There have been a lot of u-turns in the policy and rules around COVID.
- Are these u-turns or is the government improvising in an unprecedented situation?
- The u-turns that do the most harm are those that are seen as a breach of trust.
The important context for u-turns in British politics is Margaret Thatcher’s 1980 speech to the Conservative Party Conference.
- Her predecessor, Ted Heath, did not stick to the manifesto line in government.
- She actually was making a u-turn in macroeconomic policy, but she had concluded that voters saw pragmatic chopping and changing as incompetence.
- The difficulty for Johnson is that there’s a general perception that the government isn’t entirely on top of things. The competence issue comes back to the surface.
The internal market bill is being published and it will apparently renege on some aspects of the withdrawal act.
- Being perceived as seeing yourself above international law is a risk for any government.
- In the context of Brexit, this is the consequence of how boxed in the Johnson government was when it came into power.
COVID has revealed big differences between Westminster and the devolved governments.
- Sturgeon in particular has pitched her government as more competent than the Johnson government.
- Critics of the SNP say that this is theatre.
- But the handling of the pandemic may well feed into the SNP’s pitch heading into what appears to be an increasingly imminent referendum, which they are increasingly confident of winning.
- But it’s not just the pandemic; it’s also the whole Brexit process.
Can Starmer use competence as a lever? Can you win power through competence?
- The opposition is not in a great place to set the agenda. A number of very important decisions will be made in the next year or so that change the political situation.
- Don’t underestimate the power of the Conservatives to replace Johnson.
- Many of Johnson’s ministers are creatures of his politics.
- What’s interesting about Sunak is that he doesn’t quite fit that template.
Mentioned in this Episode:
- Margaret Thatcher’s 1980 speech to the Conservative Party Conference (‘the lady’s not for turning’)
- Scottish support for independence rises in the pandemic
- Who is Boris Johnson?
Further Learning:
- More on the Internal Market Bill The Guardian’s view on the Internal Market...
Transcript
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| 0:16.0 | are going to talk about Boris, Kier and Competence. |
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| 1:12.4 | So it's a great pleasure to have what I think covers the original Talking Politics panel today. |
| 1:17.4 | Helen Thompson, Chris Bricketton, we're all in different rooms inevitably, but it still feels |
| 1:24.4 | like old times. And we're going to talk about questions of competence, does it matter? I think |
| 1:29.4 | it must matter whether this government is incompetent, but why does it matter in which kinds of |
| 1:33.4 | incompetence are likely to do this government most harm. I thought maybe we could start with |
| 1:39.4 | the phrase that's associated at the moment with one particular form of incompetence in relation |
| 1:45.4 | to Boris Johnson's leadership and this government's behaviour. And that is U-turns, because |
| 1:53.4 | there has been a lot of chopping and changing, particularly in the policy and the rules around |
| 1:59.4 | the COVID virus and how we're all meant to behave. U-turns clearly matter, because we can all |
| 2:04.4 | think of examples of political U-turns that have done politicians and political parties a lot of harm. |
| 2:09.4 | I'm not at all clear in my own mind that these are U-turns and the government's line is that |
| 2:13.4 | this is just what you do when you're dealing with an unprecedented challenge. And you are inevitably |
| 2:19.4 | sometimes making it up as you go along. And these actual U-turns. |
| 2:23.4 | Well, I would say that I'm going to have been some U-turns that are not necessarily related to the |
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