Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Centen.

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

And restoration for the heart.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's get this conversation started.

Well, Rachel, I'm going to just start by saying I'm not particularly thrilled to talk about what we're going to talk about. And that is post-traumatic stress and post-traumatic stress disorder and the reality of living in an ongoing pandemic and a

complicated world, including levels of grief with ongoing racial trauma, ongoing political demonization and divide,

and just the wicked heartbreak of Ukraine.

And so we're going to talk about trauma, which is, it's our work.

But I'm like, you need to help me today.

This is a bit like that one podcast we did where we both had to acknowledge,

I'm, we are not doing well.

And especially as we focus something of this labor today on being helped to

people who like us are considered to be leaders or helpers, whether you're a parent,

whether you're a friend, whether or not you are in some position of authority to care for others.

Nonetheless, we all are in an ongoing post-traumatic stress, and we are all so wickedly tired of talking about this.

So that's where I'm beginning.

I hear your words and there is something I felt even in my body.

Like when we talked about needing to step into some of these waters,

you know, I just want to name for those of you listening,

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