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Welcome to another episode of Inquiring Minds.

I'm Indravis Gontas.

This is a podcast that explores the space where science and society collide.

We want to find out what's true, what's left to discover,

and why it matters. Back at episode 167, I interviewed Heider Verreich to talk about how medicine

has changed the end of life. He had written a book called

Modern Death, which I found incredibly compelling. And so when his next book came across my desk,

State of the Heart, I thought I would read it, but I didn't think that I would return for another

interview. And then I couldn't put it down. Hider is a cardiologist by training. And the stories that he tells in his

book and the questions that he raises and the ways that he has overturned what I thought were

completely well understood facts about the heart and its relationship to diet and other lifestyle

factors completely blew me away.

Hyder Varaj, welcome back to inquiring minds.

Well, it's great to be back.

Thank you for inviting me.

You know, your book Modern Death really changed the way that I approach, you know,

death and just the illness of my loved ones.

And state of the heart has done the same thing. So

congratulations on writing yet another ground-breaking book. Thank you. I had a, you know, honestly,

I had a blast writing this book. And I think that, you know, I'm a, I trained as a cardiologist,

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