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Switched on Pop

The Healing Power of Pop with Esperanza Spalding

Switched on Pop

Vox Media Podcast Network

Music, Music Interviews, Music History, Music Commentary

4.62.9K Ratings

🗓️ 26 October 2021

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

It. Has. Been. A. Year. We’ve felt it; you’ve felt it. Sometimes, it’s comforting to consider how universal that overwhelming sense of blah is. Other days, woof, it can be tough to see the light. That’s the subject of today’s episode, brought to you by our producer Megan Lubin. When Megan hit an especially low point earlier this year, she noticed something in the music she was listening to: Über-popular artists making explicit references to the state of their mental health and the things they do to cope with it. It made her want to know more about the impact of those lyrics, so she dug around and found an academic who studies that very thing: Alex Kresovich, a Ph.D. candidate at the University of North Carolina’s Hussman School of Journalism and Media who has authored a bunch of studies on mental health and popular music. In today’s episode, we walk through one of those studies with him and learn how influential lyrical content can be — even when you’re not paying super-close attention. Alex’s research, and research like it, opens up the possibility that pop artists are an underestimated asset when it comes to mental-health messaging. “People like to point at pop music as a source of problems, not a source of solutions,” he says. Alex sees his job as guiding the scientific community toward new data that could change how we understand the value of pop-music lyrics — “laying the railroad ties,” as he puts it. In the second half of today’s episode, we talk to an artist who has taken the concept of music as medicine to a whole new level. Over the course of her career, Esperanza Spalding has reimagined the music-making process — transforming it from one designed to meet her label’s commercial needs to one designed to meet the mental-health needs of her immediate community. With her new album Songwrights Apothecary Lab, Spalding offers up a collection of songs for “releasing the heaviness of a seemingly endless blue state,” for “steadying the vast-spinning ‘potential hurt’ analysis triggered by the bliss of new romance,” and for “slowing down and remembering to make space/time for your elders.” Spalding made clear that this way of “musicking” is nothing new: It’s like the oldest thing ever….we’re playing with the origin of music. The origin of music being: a response to others in your community, in your surroundings. And the response is intuitive! When you hum for a baby or when you’re sitting with somebody who is grieving and you, you feel compelled to hum, or when you’re excited and go, “Wow!” That’s music! Spalding’s view of music these days opened our eyes wide to the true healing power of individual songs and just how accessible music is when we need it. Songs Discussed girl in red - Serotonin Billie Eilish - Getting Older Julia Michaels ft. Selena Gomez - Anxiety J. Cole ft. kiLL edward - FRIENDS Lil Nas X - VOID Kehlani - 24/7 Kendrick Lamar - u Juice WRLD - Lucid Dreams Panic! At the Disco - King of the Clouds Shawn Mendes - In My Blood Ariana Grande - breathin Logic, Alessia Cara, Khalid - 1-800-273-8255 Billie Eilish ft. Khalid - lovely Lil Uzi Vert - XO Tour Llif3 Esperanza Spalding - Formwela 3 Esperanza Spalding - Formwela 6 Esperanza Spalding - Formwela 10 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:17.0

I just want to let you know that today's episode talks about mental health and as a warning

0:22.0

we play some songs that have explicit references to suicide. Okay, let's dive in.

0:40.8

Welcome to Switched on Pop I'm musicologist Nate Sloan and I'm songwriter Charlie Harding

0:46.2

and I'm podcast producer Megan Lubin back again. Yeah you are.

0:50.2

Okay guys I want to kick off today's episode with a personal admission that to be honest

0:55.9

I never imagined that I would make in such a public way. What's up? I have been struggling.

1:02.3

I've been feeling anxious, depressed. I think stuff that a lot of people are having hard time

1:09.0

with right now. I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks and it's a hard thing to talk about right because

1:14.4

generally speaking I'm okay. Like I have work and a partner and a roof over my head and so when I say

1:21.7

struggling I mean there's stuff going on in my brain these days that feels very hard to manage

1:28.0

and sometimes I don't manage it so well. I mean it's obviously been a really really hard time for a lot of people.

1:35.1

Global pandemic, political unrest, climate anxiety, it is rough out there Megan and I can only imagine

1:43.3

what you're going through and you know you're not alone. You know Megan as much as a lot of people

1:49.0

going through this I just want to say I'm really sorry you're feeling down and I just want to check

1:52.8

in like do you want to talk podcasts and music some other time? No actually this is a really nice

1:58.4

escape for me. Truth be told one of the things that's been the most helpful the most distracting

2:03.8

in this time is music which means I've been listening to a lot of music lately.

2:09.0

I've been noticing something. At first I thought I was projecting just because of what I'm experiencing

2:15.9

right now but I think there's really something here I want to run about you guys. What's that?

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