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And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk.

Welcome to the 15th episode of the Good Fight Club.

I'm really excited to have a star-studded cast of people to help me think through this very strange cultural moment in the United States today.

I have with me Amanda Ripley, who is the founder of good conflict and a writer of many

books. I have really enjoyed. I have here Jesse Single, who is the co-host of Blocked and

reported, and he gave me all kinds of other inappropriate ways to introduce him that I'm going to skip. And I have here Thomas Chatterton Williams, who is a staff writer at the Atlantic.

And of course, they've all written wonderful books and so on as well. All right. Well, you know,

it strikes me that we're in a strange, frenetic moment in American culture that

also is a kind of weird interlude. You know, it felt around 2025, 2024, as further

was this much-discussed vibe shift. And that is part of what got Donald Trump elected.

And when I look at other countries in which figures who resemble Trump in certain ways

came to office, and some of them they really were able to enjoy a kind of cultural victory,

impose the values on a large swath of the public, become the kind of default mainstream way of thinking

about the country. I would argue, and I'll see whether you agree would disagree with me,

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