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The Good Fight

Al Roth on Why People Should Be Free to Sell Their Kidneys

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 12 May 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Al Roth discuss what we miss when we separate economics from human emotion. Alvin E. Roth is the Craig and Susan McCaw Professor of Economics at Stanford University and the George Gund Professor of Economics and Business Administration Emeritus at Harvard University. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2012. His latest book is Moral Economics: From Prostitution to Organ Sales, What Controversial Transactions Reveal About How Markets Work. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Al Roth discuss the impact of moral disgust on solving economic problems, whether we should allow financial payments for organ donation, and what the rise of OnlyFans tells us about changing attitudes towards the self and economic transactions. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: leonora.barclay@persuasion.community Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:29.6

One of the thought experiments I talked about in my book,

0:32.6

is to think about why it's so easy to buy drugs

0:35.6

and so hard to hire a hitman.

0:39.5

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:47.9

Should we allow people to buy and sell kidneys?

0:52.4

What about prostitution? Should that be legal or illegal?

0:58.0

Is it a good idea to prohibit the sale of hard drugs like meth or heroin?

1:05.0

Or should we legalize all drugs?

1:09.0

How should we think about people who struggle with fertility and pay somebody

1:14.2

to carry their child to term? Is surrogacy a good idea that empowers people to start a family,

1:22.2

or is it a form of exploitation of vulnerable women who are actually doing that work that should be outloaded.

1:30.4

Well, the best person to talk to these questions is Alvin Ruff.

1:36.4

Al is a Nobel Prize winning economist at Stanford University who has pioneered the field of designing markets.

1:47.9

If you were a resident after medical school, if you sent your kid to a public school in a

1:54.3

big American city, Al probably helped to design the mechanism by which you were allocated or your child was allocated

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