This is the BBC.

I'm not a religious man, no wonder perhaps.

I'm a halacic Jew, a blood Jew.

It was brought up Church of England and married a Catholic.

But when someone says God's willing to come on your podcast,

you can't really say no,

particularly when God is a fellow, you're nice at firm.

There are times when you're trying to coordinate and be that nice,

kind of,

her air, a playmaker,

and then there's times when you do have to be a bit of the Roy Kean

and basically get people in line.

This God is Gossodon, Lord O'Donnell,

formerly the God of the Civil Service,

Britain's Cabinet Secretary,

a man who's very worried indeed about the Brexit negotiations

and the state of this government.

When you look at where we are now,

you know, the cabinet, you see differing voices coming out

on the same subject.

And it does make me think, for God's sake,

for your own good, collective cabinet responsibility,

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