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Hello and welcome to Political Thinking, a conversation with rather than an interrogation

of someone who shapes our political thinking about what shapes theirs.

In a new cabinet dominated by public school boys and Oxbridge graduates, the new education

secretary stands out.

Gillian Keegan's old school, a comprehensive innosely called St. Old Gustins, was nicknamed

St. Disgusting before it was shut down a couple of years after she left.

Like most kids at her school, Gillian left at the age of 16 and went to be an apprentice

at a car factory.

Now that was a springboard as will hear for a very successful business career.

She went on to be the commercial director at Mastercard, Chief Marketing Officer at a

big travel firm called Travel Port.

Her boss now, Rishi Soonak says, a good education is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet

when it comes to making people's lives better.

Gillian Keegan, welcome to Political Thinking.

Thank you for having me.

Now just a month ago I interviewed the new education secretary, Kit Malt House, here on Political

Thinking and my first question was something along the lines of what's it like being the

fourth education secretary in five months?

You are now the fifth education secretary in six months.

It's still good enough that is it?

Well you can't get too much education can you?

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