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The Psychology Podcast

The Gentle Power of Sisu w/ Dr. Elisabet Lahti

The Psychology Podcast

iHeartPodcasts

Social Sciences, Science

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott welcomes Dr. Elisabet Lahti—educator, applied psychology researcher, and founder of the Sisu Lab. Dr. Lahti is the world’s leading expert on sisu, a Finnish concept that embodies extraordinary courage, resilience, and determination in the face of adversity.

Together, they explore the meaning of sisu and how it can help us persevere even when we think we’ve reached our limits. Dr. Lahti shares her own personal experiences of struggle and growth, illustrating how strength and gentleness can coexist and create a more compassionate, resilient world.

This heartfelt conversation is a celebration of inner power, perseverance, and the human capacity to overcome hardship with grace.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:04.2

Even though now this story that I'm sharing, it sounds quite unusual and it was a big

0:10.9

feat as, you know, healing from any trauma is a big feat.

0:14.8

You know, it's a trauma healing is always an ultra run for all of us.

0:18.8

But inside that journey, I would say that it's a misconception

0:22.9

to think that Sisu is only the big things we do. I personally think that it's those micro-moments

0:30.1

in our ordinary life where we either choose to, let's say, turn away from our family member or partner or from a challenge

0:39.7

and or we keep our heart closed. Instead of facing what is there or feeling the tough emotion,

0:47.5

for example, it's those tiny little things that actually really end up defining our future.

0:59.0

Today, it's a great pleasure to have Dr. Elizabeth Lottie on the show.

1:03.2

Elizabeth is an awarded educator, applied researcher of psychology, and founder of Sisu Lab,

1:09.4

which builds communities and organizational cultures.

1:12.5

Sisu is a Finnish word, which means extreme courage, and it's all about persevering even when you

1:18.1

think you've had enough. Dr. Lati is the world's foremost researcher of this concept, and in this

1:23.6

episode, we discuss her own personal struggles and hardships as a great example of Sisu,

1:28.6

as well as her vision for a peaceful world that integrates the yin and yang of strength and gentleness.

1:35.1

I've known Dr. Lati for many years, and it has been a pleasure watching her grow and flourish.

1:40.2

This episode was a long time in the making.

1:43.8

So without further ado, I bring you Dr. Elizabeth Lottie.

1:48.7

Dr. Elizabeth Lottie, it is such an honor and privilege to have you on the psychology podcast.

1:55.1

This is super fun.

1:56.4

I've always enjoyed our encounters, so this is really a treat.

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