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This is Chandals with Peter Kafka.

That is me.

I'm also the chief correspondent at Business Insider.

Obviously, you know what we're talking about today.

We're talking about the president of the United States and his regulators taking aim at Disney slash ABC and Jimmy Kimmel. You also know that Kimmel came back on the air

Tuesday night. You have probably seen a clip or two about it at this point. I've also written about

this story three times in the last week, so you're welcome to review those posts. The most recent one

tries again to spell out why this is not the same as, say, Tucker

Carlson losing his job at Fox. So what I wanted to do today is to talk to someone who can put

all of this in context, not just the politics, but the mechanics and economics of late-night TV.

And what late-night TV does and doesn't mean in a world where everyone watches clips

instead of shows. So I reached out to James Panoazik. He is the TV critic at the New York Times.

James is great to talk to about TV, obviously, but he's also become a Trump expert in the last

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