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Channels with Peter Kafka

Almost Everyone is Taking Money from OpenAI. Why is Ziff Davis suing them?

Channels with Peter Kafka

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Tv & Film, Business News, News

4.4585 Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

In the future, digital publishers could get run over by AI. In the present, they are deeply concerned about Google, and the prospect that the search giant is going to choke off their last reliable traffic stream.That may explain why lots of publishers are making deals with OpenAI now -- and doing a lot of grousing about Google.Ziff Davis CEO Vivek Shah is going the other way: he's one of only two big publishers to sue OpenAI (the other one is the New York Times) and he says his portfolio of sites would like more traffic from Google, but is confident things will work out.Shah and Ziff Davis never got the attention some of their digital peers did a decade ago. On the flip side, they're still standing in 2025. So this is a POV worth paying attention to. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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From the Vox Media Podcast Network, this is Channels with Peter Kafka.

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That is me. I'm also chief

1:46.0

correspondent at Business Insider. You listen to this podcast, so you already know that AI is

1:51.9

going to change the way we make, pay for, distribute, and consume media. It's already happening.

1:58.6

But just how fast that's going to happen is something we don't know.

2:01.9

And we definitely don't know exactly how it's going to happen and what kind of rules of the road, if any, we're going to have as that happens.

2:09.8

Which brings us to today's guest, Vivek Shaw, the CEO of Ziff Davis.

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