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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

The Future of Friendship with Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW, Chris Hayes

Msnbc, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Government, Politics, Chris Hayes, Why Is This Happening?, Withpod, Versant, Ms Now, News, Society & Culture, Versant Media

4.69.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 March 2022

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

BFF connections have transformed rapidly during the COVID-19 pandemic. FaceTime calls, Zoom happy hours, voice memos, group chats and virtual game nights, in many cases, have reworked our in-person interactions of the past. What does the future of friendship look like? Ann Friedman and Aminatou Sow have been friends for over a decade, twelve years to be exact. Living on opposite coasts for years now, they had a head start on managing a long-distance friendship. Ann, a journalist, essayist and media entrepreneur and Aminatou, a writer, interviewer and cultural commentator, co-wrote “Big Friendship,” a book all about maintaining their close bond. They join for an inspiring conversation about the future of friendship and what it takes to stay connected for the long haul. Sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts to listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads. You'll also get exclusive bonus content from this and other shows. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

The thing that allows a relationship where you see someone only twice a year to you know like not atrophy

0:07.2

Is the vulnerability of saying I want to see you more as your responsibility shift your time changes and all of that

0:15.0

But you can still decide that you're in a period where you're like I really need to be making some friends right now like this is the car

0:21.2

About in the calendar

0:23.2

Hello, and welcome to wise this happening with me your host Chris Hayes

0:35.3

We are doing our special future of series continues this week and

0:41.5

I'm really excited for today's guests two guests people whose work I've followed

0:47.1

Who brought a really cool book that we'll get into in a second which just felt really distinct and kind of genre bending and also

0:54.7

Delightful and exuberant and real and it's on a topic that is very near and dear to my heart which is

1:00.5

You know in the category of human relations. We've got

1:04.4

Sort of like four categories I would say

1:08.0

Basically, there's family. That's a big category and a very important one. There's colleagues like people you work with

1:15.5

There's romantic relationships relationships that you know run the spectrum of

1:22.4

Romantic love those can be purely physical they can be dating they can be lots of things in between and then their friendship

1:28.3

Which is this category that exists

1:31.1

Around and in between all these other categories we have you can have colleagues that are friends and family that are just family

1:37.1

But then their family that are kind of friends like siblings that you actually hang out with and and I think that in some ways

1:42.2

You know friendship is in some ways like one of the most important relationships we have but also one of the least

1:47.5

artistically represented

1:50.0

oftentimes I feel like dramas tend to particularly in the canon tend to revolve around

1:55.9

Families basically family members are lovers are like the two like highest stakes most dramatic kinds of relationships

2:02.2

Like that's where we get like hamlet, you know, it's like well you killed my dad and I mean love with you and Romeo and Juliet and those sorts of things

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