I don't think we'll be able to get away from artificial intelligence.

I think we need to get on the right side of change here.

Make sure that we've got the right experts focused on the potential problems, but then run

with the solutions that it offers.

Hello and welcome to Wise This Happening with me, your host Chris Hayes.

Well, welcome back to our second episode in our future of series.

I'm very excited about what we're doing today, which is very different than what we've

done in the past.

Really, a totally different genre of conversation, a different guest, a different sort of thing.

And before we get into it, I guess the setup is, if you listened last week, we talked to

Seth Meyers, and I kind of intro the conceit behind this future of series.

And part of the idea I had was that, you know, I find myself having a hard time these

days thinking about a future that is not like dire and cataclysmic and dark and dystopic.

And part of that, I think, is a little bit of conditioning having gone through several

kind of cycles of optimism about the future, particularly as regards tech.

I'm, you know, in my early 40s and so I'm old enough to remember like this incredible

burst of techno optimism, particularly in the kind of 1990s around the tech bubble.

And then around social media, like everyone's going to be connected.

And then quickly, curdles and becomes like, oh, there's going to be like, you know, genocidal

disinformation flowing through these same networks that we were supposed to just like

share family photos on.

And that's going to have incredibly horrific real world consequences.

...