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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka.

That is me.

I am back. Thanks to everyone for your patience. I'm going to have more extended thank yous at the end of this podcast. But for now, to introduce you to Jason Reitman, who has not one but two films out this year. One is called Tully, came out in the spring. Then one is called Front Runner, which should probably be out as you're listening to this. Welcome, Jason. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming. You've made some of my favorite movies, which is what I tell most of the directors who come on here. Because it's true. Don't lie to me. It's true. Juno. Thanks for smoking. Young adult. Thank you. What am I missing? I'm missing a whole bunch. Up in the air? Up in the air. That one makes me anxious. Why? Because it's about losing your job, or one of the plot lines about losing your job. Yeah, and it's interesting because we made that movie in the midst of a recession, but when I started writing it, we were in the midst of an economic boom. So when I wrote the movie, the idea that he fired people for a living was kind of ironic. And then by the time we were making it in 2010 and shooting... It was very real. Yeah, we were shooting in St. Louis and we were shooting in Detroit. There were two cities got really hit hard. Detroit, obviously, St. Louis, the Anheiser Bush planted clothes and 10,000 jobs or something like that were gone. And I remember my father came to me because he actually produced that movie and he said,

you know, you're capturing a moment. You have to treat this realistically.

And that was the moment we decided, what if we cast all real people who had lost their jobs

and put them in the movie?

Right.

And we put on an ad as that we were making a documentary about the recession,

and we brought in all these real people, and we interviewed them and then took them through this, like, roll plate where we kind of fired them on camera. It's kind of unbearable even now. It's on Netflix, and it's also downloadable, so definitely it's probably on my phone right now as we speak. watching the scenes makes me really upset.

Well, I guess I did my job right, so I phone right now as we speak. Watching those scenes makes me really upset.

Well, I guess I did my job right, so I will take that as a compliment. Congrats. I'll talk to you a little bit about Tully, but let's talk about frontrunners since that's the movie that is out. That is the Gary Hart story. I think a lot of people who listen to this is about tech and media and politics will know the Gary Hart story. about, want to give them the 30 second synopsis?

Yeah, sure. Well, look, they may not.

Look, I'm 41 years old. And when I heard a radio lab

centered around Matt Pye's book on Gary Hart and the scandal, I didn't know the story. I was 10 years old

when this happened. And I was much more interested in the trajectory of the Back to the Future

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