The Fleet, the Fight, and the Future
War on the Rocks
War on the Rocks
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🗓️ 17 February 2020
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
Is the U.S. military built and positioned to stop or — if necessary — win the next big war? What should the Navy and Marine Corps of the future look like? What's standing in the way? How can the United States step back from the Middle East and focus on the Pacific? What does The Wire have to teach us about Washington? Why does a member of Congress have a sword, a pull-up bar, and a bottle of Lagavulin 16 in his office? Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin and Chris Brose of Anduril Industries join Ryan for a wide-ranging conversation that tackles these questions and more.
Further Reading, Listening, and Watching:
- Mike Gallagher, "To Deter China, the Naval Services Must Integrate," War on the Rocks
- Frank Hoffman, "No Strategic Success Without 21st Century Seapower: Forward Partnering," War on the Rocks
- Alice Hunt Friend, Melanie Marlowe, and Christopher Preble, "Net Assessment: Debating the AUMFs"
- "Everybody Stays Friends," The Wire
- Chris Brose and Ryan Evans, "Your Ideas Matter," War on the Rocks
Transcript
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| 0:15.6 | You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense and Foreign Affairs. My name is Ryan Evans, I'm the CEO of War on the Rocks. |
| 0:18.2 | In this episode we were joined by two friends of the show, Congressman Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin and |
| 0:22.2 | Chris Brose of Andrel Industries and formerly the staff director of the Senate Armed Services Committee under John McCain. |
| 0:28.0 | We had a wide-ranging conversation on how to build the military the future, the future of the Navy and Marine Corps in particular, |
| 0:33.3 | what the Middle East has to teach us about the dangers of operating in the Pacific, and the ever |
| 0:36.9 | thorny issue of authorizations from military force that just won't go away. So you two have actually known each other for quite a while, is that right? |
| 0:47.2 | Since before you were a member of Congress? Since I was a staffer in the Senate, I got out of the Marine Corps in 2013 and then I went to work on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. |
| 1:00.0 | And a member, I worked for the Chairman Bob Corker, but one member of that committee was John McCain. |
| 1:04.7 | And via John McCain, I met his Fearless Foreign Policy Advisor and then future staff |
| 1:10.4 | director of the Senate Armed Service Committee, |
| 1:12.6 | a one Christian bros. |
| 1:15.0 | And we hatched a variety of failed schemes |
| 1:17.7 | to impede the Obama administration's negotiations |
| 1:21.2 | with Iran. What else happened during those two? |
| 1:24.0 | Well, I would also add for the record that I tried to recruit Mike Gallagher back to Senate |
| 1:31.6 | service after the Walker campaign prematurely ended. |
| 1:36.2 | Is that the right term of art? |
| 1:37.8 | We'll go with that. |
| 1:38.8 | And he said, you know, I've got this idea that I might run for Congress and I said, well, |
| 1:44.0 | lots of luck to you. |
| 1:45.8 | Yeah. |
| 1:46.8 | And you know, let me know where to write a check. |
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