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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

The first true foreign policy test of Biden's presidency

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Politics, Government

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 August 2021

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

The Taliban's return to power marks the first real foreign policy crisis of the Biden administration — and a rare moment of bipartisan criticism of Joe Biden. But will the bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan scramble American politics, or merely deepen long-building fissures across the political spectrum? On the right, attempts to save America's Afghan allies have resurfaced fierce divides over immigration and diversity. On the left, the pullout is reigniting a debate over the US's "forever wars." Playbook co-authors Rachael Bade and Ryan Lizza on Biden's political pitfalls. Rachael Bade is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Ryan Lizza is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Andy Glass is a contributing editor for POLITICO.Adrienne Hurst is a producer for POLITICO audio.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Today, you have to analyze what happened five minutes ago, and believe me, that is extremely frustrating.

0:08.0

The lightning speed at which the Taliban has continued its advance on the capital city of Kabul.

0:12.0

Taking control of the country happened a lot faster than his administration anticipated.

0:16.0

I would just ask people to think about what they're going to be reporting 20 years from now.

0:23.0

President Biden recalled the madness of the American involvement in the Vietnam War,

0:29.0

which was America's longest war before the war in Afghanistan.

0:35.0

I'm Rachel Bade, this is Playbook Deep Dive.

0:38.0

I graduated from college in 1957.

0:41.0

Andy Glass is a contributing editor at Politico.

0:44.0

He's been working in journalism ever since the day he graduated, 64 years ago.

0:49.0

And I never wanted to do anything else in my life.

0:52.0

A lot of people are drawing similarities between the fall of Saigon and the fall of Kabul.

0:56.0

But what we're watching now is all subject to change.

0:59.0

Andy knows because he covered the fall of Saigon in 1975.

1:04.0

And when he went back 20 years later?

1:07.0

In 1995.

1:08.0

Something resonated with him.

1:10.0

I interviewed the top Vietnamese general.

1:13.0

I asked him, why did we, the Americans, lose the war and why did you, the communist lord, win the war?

1:23.0

And he paused for just a minute.

1:25.0

And he said, you know why?

1:27.0

Because we wanted it more than you did.

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