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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Vote-a-rama drama and the national debt

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2021

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Nobody on Capitol Hill got much sleep this week. The Senate passed its infrastructure bill, stayed up all night in a vote-a-rama and provided foreshadowing for the set of fights yet to come. As Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza put it this week: “Threat of a government shutdown? Possibility of America defaulting on its loans? Dust off that Blackberry, fire off a manual RT, and put on some LMFAO. It’s feeling very 2011.” Ryan and POLITICO’s Jennifer Scholtes break down what’s ahead for Congress.Ryan Lizza is a co-author of POLITICO Playbook.Jennifer Scholtes is budget and appropriations reporter at POLITICO.Adrienne Hurst is a producer for POLITICO audio.Annie Rees is a producer for POLITICO audio.Jenny Ament is senior producer for POLITICO audio.Irene Noguchi is the executive producer of POLITICO audio. Read more from Jennifer: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/09/democrats-unveil-budget-to-launch-35t-plan-without-republican-help-502822  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's kind of like a choose your own adventure, the geekiest choose your own adventure with crazy economic implications.

0:12.0

There's a high stakes choose your own adventure game playing out on Capitol Hill.

0:18.0

Choice. Do you raise the debt ceiling? Turn to page 6.

0:24.0

Or do you let the country default? Turn to page 7.

0:28.0

Page 7. You let the country default. The world falls apart.

0:36.0

And pretty much the potential outcomes are about as depressing as you know the star you die endings to the regular choose your own adventure book.

0:48.0

Objective? Address the debt limit before the U.S. to falls. Something that's never happened.

0:54.0

Which would throw the nation into economic chaos.

0:59.0

The players? A split 50-50 Senate.

1:02.0

Starring the usual cast. Bernie Sanders?

1:06.0

This $3.5 trillion plan is a mountain and Bernie Sanders is ready to move mountains.

1:14.0

Chuck Schumer? Who's gonna flinch when Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer eventually brings the debt limit question to the floor?

1:22.0

And don't forget Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell has said that nothing would change his mind. He wouldn't come around.

1:30.0

That does sound like him. Yes, that's a perfect negotiating position.

1:34.0

I'm Ryan Liza. This is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:40.0

My colleague Jennifer Shultis covers budget and appropriations for Politico.

1:46.0

This is the biggest story of the fall and it's major. It's gonna affect every single major negotiation for months to come.

1:55.0

She's been watching the scene on Capitol Hill as senators all try to avoid a political cliff dive over the debt limit.

2:03.0

So we have $28 trillion in debt as a nation.

2:07.0

$28 trillion.

2:11.0

And our waiver on being able to borrow has expired. It expired on July 31st.

2:17.0

So right now the Treasury Department is just trying to kind of scrap around, make sure that the money coming in matches the money going out.

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