Previously on Drill.

They believe that oil and coal were put here in the United States by God for us to use.

And I don't know how you, that's not a scientific argument.

That's almost a theological argument or religious, I don't know what you do with that.

We know that throughout the 1980s and 1990s, oil companies, manufacturers, and anyone else

who might feel threatened by emissions regulations, teamed up to fund, conceive, and execute

comprehensive social influence campaigns.

They targeted the media in various ways and the culture too.

The final prong of that effort was in the institutional sphere, targeting local, state

and federal government, public education, and research being conducted at the country's

top universities.

When we look at a microcosm of Ohio, we see that the Koch network is in work

on the state level and in the county level.

Among that set of dedicated research centers that are really influential in technology

research and training, you know, future people working in climate, also influencing the

IPCC, that a majority of funding in those centers comes from fossil fuel groups.

We have the documentation starting in the 50s and 60s about them putting out educational

material for great schools and high schools about the wonders of oil.

Every company and every industry lobbies government officials for policies and regulations

that are favorable to them.

The whole lobbying complex is its own tangled knot for another podcast.

But when it comes to climate and energy policy, influencing regulations go way beyond

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