The Fall Of Jann Wenner and A Surprise Album From The National

Indiecast

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Music Commentary, Music, Indie Music, Indie Rock

4.6 • 621 Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2023

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

It's been a week since former Rolling Stone publisher Jann Wenner gave a disastrous interview to the New York Times to promote his upcoming book of classic rocker interviews, The Masters. Thankfully, it lingered just long enough in the news for Steven and Ian to talk about it on the pod. The guys reflect on Wenner's legacy, why he chose to say out loud what many assumed were his feelings about women and black musicians, and what this means for the discourse overall. Also, they talk about the surprise re-emergence of Spin's Bob Guccione Jr. aka the guy Axl Rose threatened to beat up in "Get In The Ring." (:25)

From there they talk about Laugh Track, the surprise new album by The National that dropped earlier this week (23:33). It's their second LP of 2023 after First Two Pages Of Frankenstein, and it sounds a lot like that record. Steven and Ian are somewhat lukewarm on both records, though Steven believes that a very good single National album could have been made from their best material. What's going on with this band, and have they lost the ability to self-edit?

In the mailbag, a listener takes the guys to task for talking about sports too much (33:43), and another letter writer asks an important CD-related question: jewel case or digipak? (41:52)

In Recommendation Corner (49:51), Ian talks about the Grimes-like singer-songwriter Yeule while Steven recommends the Summerteeth-like rock band Slaughter Beach, Dog.

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0:00.0	Indycast is presented by Uprocks' Indie Mix tape.
0:12.8	Hello everyone and welcome to Indycast.
0:14.9	On this show we talk about the biggest indie news of the week.
0:17.3	We review albums and we hash out trends.
0:20.0	In this episode, we discussed the fall of
0:21.9	Jan Winter and a surprise new national album. My name is Stephen Hayden and I'm joined by my friend
0:27.5	and co-host. I wonder if he knows that Bob Cuccione is still at Spin Magazine. Ian Cohen, Ian,
0:34.0	how are you? Yeah, I'm like hesitant to say anything negative about spin right now because
0:38.8	just two days ago, their most recent check cleared for me. And I can't say that about every single
0:44.1	publication I write for. So whether it's Bob Gucci-Oti Jr. or Bob Gucci-Jr Jr. signing checks,
0:50.3	I don't give a shit. But I do give a shit because this is fucking aware. I love that we're
0:54.9	having like real deal Bob Guccioni Jr. talk without having to like force feed, get in the ring.
1:01.3	Yeah, it's, uh, we're going to get to Bob Guccione Jr. here in a minute because he, he plays into
1:07.0	this Jan Winter story in a surprising way. It was like the Yon Winter story, it was like running out of juice.
1:13.1	Because for those who don't know, Jan Winnor, former publisher of Rolling Stone, gave an interview to the New York Times.
1:19.4	I think it was last Friday, the day our previous episode came out.
1:23.8	And it's about this upcoming book of interviews he's putting out called The Masters,
1:29.0	which is a hilarious title in light of this interview.
1:33.7	But it's a collection of interviews with seven classic rockers.
1:38.3	I'm going to try to recite this from memory.
1:40.0	I think it's Bob Dylan, Bono, Pete Townsend, Jagger, Jerry Garcia, John Lennon.
1:49.2	Am I missing somebody?
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