Hello, this is the Red Box Podcast. I'm Matt Shorley, being you the best of my Times

Radio Show. Don't forget you can listen live on your DAB radio, on your Smart Speaker,

just say, play Times Radio, or download the Times Radio app you can take us with you

everywhere. You're going. But here on the podcast, we like to be

the best bit of the show. I mean, I say best bits, Nikki Noodles on the Apple Podcast

review thingy, says the pods lost some of its shine, bits snide at times, you're only

a journalist. Matt's a good interviewer, though, when he wants to be. So fingers crossed

Nikki Noodles will be happy with today's episode, because I've been doing some of that

interviewing again. We've got another exit interview where I sit down with some MPs

who are standing down at the next election to ask why you leaving us and what could we

have done better? A cracking one's day, Serben Bradshaw, if you don't mind, former Labour

Cabinet Minister, delivers his verdict on Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband Jeremy

Corbyn, and his advice that he's giving to Kiss Starmer's team on how to prepare

to run a big government department. That's coming up in just a moment. First, as ever,

we kick off with our columnists, and today we've got a very special pairing.

The columnists on Times Radio. Yes, today it's an independent on Sunday reunion at No Libby

Poverty and Waitestor Vesta. They're decade ago. I was working on Sunday, Britain's

least-read national newspaper, where I used to work with Jane Merrick as political editor,

Hello, Jane. Hello. And welcome back. Friends reunited. We've also got, what were you, Matthew?

Were you the diary editor, Matthew Bell? I was sort of on and off gossip columnists,

as I remember. Yeah. But mainly gossiping in the office about colleagues, I see

you. Exactly. Anything that was happening. Well, this is very exciting. I'm glad to have

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