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Hello, welcome to the editor's desk.

This is the podcast where we take a closer look at the essays and articles and the latest print issue of First Things Magazine.

I'm Rusty Reno on the editor of First Things Magazine,

and I'm here with you today at the editor's desk.

I'd like to welcome Aaron Wren to the podcast.

We're going to talk about his January 26, 2026 article, The Problem with the Evangelical Elite.

Welcome to the podcast, Aaron.

Thanks for having me on.

A glaring lack of evangelical elite.

So you launched this with a kind of surveying the scene. It is kind of shocking.

Yes, I say echoing Mark Null's famous work on the evangelical mind, that the evangelical

elite problem is that there isn't one. And the thing, the thing that everyone starts with is, of course,

that there are no evangelicals on the Supreme Court. I think they're now six Catholics. Yes.

And I think, you know, Neil Gorsuch is an Episcopalian, but he's a convert from Catholicism.

And I think he went to Georgetown Prep. Yeah, something like that. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Yeah, I think he went to Georgetown Prep.

Yeah, something like that.

Maybe I'm wrong about that.

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