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Hello, welcome to the editor's desk.

This is the podcast where we take a closer look at the essays and articles in the latest print issue of First Things magazine.

I'm Rusty Reno on the editor of First Things Magazine, and I'm here with you today at the editor's desk.

I'd like to welcome Scott Yenner to the podcast.

We're going to talk about his article in the February 26 issue,

The Rise and Fall of Gay Activism.

Welcome to the podcast, Scott.

Thanks for having me on, Rusty.

Gay liberation, as you put it, the great symbol of American freedom. How so? Well, everyone can have a gay son. Everyone can have a gay daughter. So not everyone can participate in the racial awakening because there are whites. Not everyone can be an immigrant, but everyone can have a gay

son or a gay daughter. So there's a way in which everyone in America is kind of open to the

idea that they could be a participant in or like join the gay rights movement.

And so it ends up having a more cohesive or more a broader impact on the culture than many of the other like grievance groups and in the civil rights like coalition.

Yeah, I often thought when it came to women's liberation that one reason it gained so much traction is that rich people have daughters.

Whereas, you know, in 1970s America, rich people didn't have black children.

You know, that's only, now the Obamas have children and they're rich, but that wasn't so much the case in the immediate aftermath of the civil rights era.

So, yeah, I agree.

That strikes me as a persuasive.

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