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Hello and welcome to the edition.

Each week we look at some of the most important and intriguing issues in the week's magazine

with the writers behind them. I'm Lara Prendergast.

This week, why is the National Trust in crisis and can it be fixed?

Plus, is there going to be a fake meat revolution?

And finally, should wedding readings stick to the classics,

or is it acceptable to go for something a bit more out there?

First up, the National Trust Chair, Tim Parker, stepped down last week following complaints

from members about the trust's work highlighting links to Britain's colonial past.

In this week's coverpiece, Spectator economist and former editor Charles Moore says there's

a crisis at the heart

of the organisation. To explain, he joins the podcast now alongside Simon Jenkins, who was the chair

of the National Trust between 2008 and 2014. Charles, in your cover piece this week, you suggest that the

National Trust is broken. Can you start by outlining to listeners what appears to have

happened? Well, I think that the people in charge of the National Trust didn't pay enough

attention to what they were letting themselves in for when they started to open it up to what

I don't like the word, but what are called woke ideas and this really came

to a head well first of all it was very very strange timing because it was all during COVID so it was a

massive crisis and they weren't pay much attention at the same time they allowed the interim report

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