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Hello and welcome to the edition podcast from The Spectator, where each week we look at three pieces from the magazine with the writers behind them.

I'm Laura Prendergars, the Spectator's executive editor.

And I'm William Moore, the Spectator's Features Editor.

On this week's episode, we'll be discussing Labor's new Paymasters.

We'll be looking at whether humans might one day worship AI. And finally, we'll

talk about whether fake fans are ruining football. First up, in the cover story in this

week's magazine, Katie Balls writes about Labor's new pay masters. Kirstarmes party now, for the

first time since records began, receives more money from private donors than it

does from trade unions. Who are the new donors and what do they want? Katie joins us now, along with

the journalist Paul Mason, to discuss. Katie, could you start by telling our listeners about the

types of people who are donating to the Labour Party and why they're

doing so now in such large sums. So I think there are a few factors at play. When Kirstama

took over the Labour Party, he inherited quite a difficult financial situation. Lots of money

in legal fees, a lot tracing back to some disputes under the Corbyn era.

You also had a few things such as if people remember the Labour Live Festival.

I was lucky enough to attend. Do you remember it?

I was lucky enough not to attend. I did not pay for my ticket though, which might suggest why

lost so much money. But a few loss-making Corbyn's stunts such as this. And then also actually

a problem that was compounded by Kirstama, which was Jeremy Corbyn's model for funding the Labour

Party when he was leader, it was actually by growing the grassroots and

the membership and also through the unions. Now, Kirstama, when he became leader, you saw about over

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