Trump v. Wilcox
5-4
Prologue Projects
4.6 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 10 June 2025
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
The Supreme Court just made it easier for Trump to fire heads of independent federal agencies. Unitary executive theory, anyone?
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking about Trump v. Wilcox. This is a recent case about the president's authority to fire the heads of independent federal agencies. |
| 0:21.6 | Earlier this year, President Trump ordered the firing of Gwynne Wilcox, a member of the |
| 0:26.4 | National Labor Relations Board, and Kathy Harris, a member of the Merit Systems Protection |
| 0:31.6 | Board. Wilcox and Harris sued, claiming their firings violated federal law. A lower court ruled in their favor, |
| 0:39.3 | but the government healed the case and asked the Supreme Court to allow the firings to proceed. |
| 0:44.5 | Supreme Court sided with Trump in a move that could enable him to remove the heads of other |
| 0:49.5 | independent federal agencies. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
| 0:58.7 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have meddled with |
| 1:04.1 | our civil rights like the DOJ meddling with the Harvard Law Review. |
| 1:08.1 | I'm Peter. |
| 1:09.0 | I'm here with Riannon. |
| 1:10.6 | Hey, yeah, priority. Harvard Law Review. I'm Peter. I'm here with Riannon. Hey, yeah, priority. Harvard Law |
| 1:13.1 | Review. And Michael. Yeah, they got their eyes on the most important issues of the day. |
| 1:19.6 | Yeah. Who is and isn't being reprimanded on the Harvard Law Review. Yeah, the Department of Justice |
| 1:25.2 | is investigating the Harvard Law Review, the most prominent law journal at Harvard, for discrimination against whites. |
| 1:36.1 | And the best part is that they have a cooperating witness who apparently now works at the White House under Stephen Miller. |
| 1:44.1 | Yeah. Oh, my God. I didn't know that part. A... who apparently now works at the White House under Stephen Miller. |
| 1:44.4 | Yeah. |
| 1:45.5 | Oh my God. |
| 1:47.1 | I didn't know that part. |
| 1:54.4 | A white man who believes that he was overlooked, perhaps, at the Harvard Law Review, |
| 1:58.7 | not given the position that he deserved due to his whiteness. |
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