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🗓️ 2 July 2025
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0:00.0 | The |
0:07.0 | The So I'm taping this introduction on Tuesday, July 1st. |
0:34.7 | The Senate passed Donald Trump's big, beautiful bill just moments ago. 50-50 vote, |
0:39.3 | Vice President J.D. Vance, the tiebreaker. This bill, it is a bad piece of legislation. |
0:46.6 | Trillions of dollars in tax cuts very much tilted towards a rich. Savage cuts to Medicaid, |
0:52.4 | to nutrition assistance, to green energy. And even with those cuts, |
0:56.3 | we can expect more than $3 trillion to be added to the national debt over 10 years. And I think |
1:02.4 | befitting policy like that, the bill is hugely unpopular. A poll from late June found nearly |
1:08.1 | two to one opposition to the bill. Vulnerable Republicans do not seem excited to run on the wreckage it's going to create Tom Tillis, the Republican Senator from North Carolina, a state Trump has won over and over again, just announced he's stepping down at the end of this term, in part over the Medicaid cuts. |
1:25.9 | But bad policy only matters if people know about it, and a lot of people don't. |
1:31.8 | And hearing about this bill, even those of us covering it can keep the whole package in mind. |
1:36.5 | The Times has a great list to nearly all the provisions. |
1:39.0 | I'll link it in the show description. |
1:40.6 | A lot of them would be major policy fights on their own. |
1:43.6 | But in part because of that, and because the Trump administration is flooding the zone, with so many other major policy fights, it has been hard to focus attention on what is passing and what can actually be done about it. |
1:56.4 | And so I asked Matt Iglesias back on the show to go through what is in this bill and why it has been so hard to generate the kind of political force on it |
2:04.6 | that we saw in Trump's first term when Obamacare appeal went down to defeat. |
2:09.6 | Matt, of course, is the author of The Soul Boring Newsletter. |
2:12.3 | We spoke, I should say, on Thursday, June 26. |
2:15.6 | As always, my email, Ezra Klein Show at NYTimes.com. |
2:27.6 | Madagliacius, welcome back to the show. |
2:30.3 | Really glad to be here. |
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