everybody welcome back to the what is money show i am thrilled and honored to be sitting

down today with mr alexander bard alexander is a author and philosopher on the relationship between human beings and technology.

And as I understand it, you're working on your sixth and seventh books at the moment.

Is that right, Alex?

That's correct.

I'm honored to be here, Robert.

It's very, very good to have you.

As I was mentioning to you offline, I have some, some

philosophical curiosities that I'm hoping we can pick at today. Maybe we need to start with something

general here. So I've been releasing this metaphysics of quality series, which is covering

Robert Persig's book, Leela. And he's basically laying out an alternative metaphysics of quality series, which is covering Robert Persig's book, Lila.

And he's basically laying out on alternative metaphysics to Aristotle's subject object

duality, positing that everything is value instead of actual substance.

So it's a real rabbit hole to go into it.

Maybe I can just pick your brain a little bit about how you see, what is your metaphysical viewpoint on the world and who

has been influential to your thinking and what books are writing have influenced your thinking?

Well, the problem in metaphysics, especially today, is that it tends to fall into one or two

extremes.

It's either reduced down to some kind of mysterious lowest common denominator, like some

kind of atom or something like, or a string or whatever, right?

And then somehow it's going to be that thing all the way off, its most complex forms.

Or other, because we're human, we tend to think of ourselves as people, everything that exists,

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