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Stay Tuned with Preet

The Decline of Reality-Based Politics (with Anne Applebaum)

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

4.832.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

If Trumpism is a reaction to an earlier era of politics, what will be the reaction to the reaction? Preet is joined by Anne Applebaum, a staff writer at The Atlantic, to examine today’s broader political landscape. From the passage of the Republicans’ “Big Beautiful Bill,” to the administration’s controversial immigration policies, they explore what is straining our democratic institutions and what could help restore them.  Then, Preet answers questions about federalizing the National Guard and whether the DOJ could legally revoke naturalized citizenship.  Join the CAFE Insider community to stay informed without hysteria, fear-mongering, or rage-baiting. Head to cafe.com/insider to sign up. Thank you for supporting our work. Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available on our website.  You can now watch this episode! Head to CAFE’s Youtube channel and subscribe. Have a question for Preet? Ask @PreetBharara on BlueSky, or Twitter with the hashtag #AskPreet. Email us at [email protected], or call 833-997-7338 to leave a voicemail. Stay Tuned with Preet is brought to you by CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

From Cafe and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to stay tuned.

0:06.1

I'm Preet Bharara.

0:08.3

Trump has passed this bill.

0:10.8

Millions of people are going to lose their health care.

0:13.5

That's a real thing that's happening in real life.

0:16.6

Is that real life experience more or less powerful than your online experience?

0:28.0

That's Anne Applebaum. She's a staff writer at the Atlantic, where she covers democracy,

0:33.8

authoritarianism, and how political systems can shift from one to the other.

0:38.5

In our conversation, Applebaum and I stepped back to examine the broader political landscape.

0:44.3

From the passage of what the Republicans have called the big beautiful bill to the administration's

0:48.4

controversial immigration enforcement, we explore what is straining our democratic institutions

0:53.5

and what could help restore them.

0:55.3

Does hope resonate better than fear and outrage?

0:58.2

Has social media created a new global political environment?

1:01.8

And do people's daily experiences still influence how they vote?

1:05.4

Then, I'll answer your questions about federalizing the National Guard

1:09.2

and revoking citizenship.

1:11.4

That's coming up. Stay tuned.

1:17.8

Rated T for Teen.

1:23.7

Each year, thousands of adults lose their shred.

1:27.1

It's an epidemic simply known as shred loss,

1:29.6

but it doesn't have to be this way,

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