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Stay Tuned with Preet

Fighting Trump’s Asylum Ban

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

4.832.3K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

What qualifies as an invasion at the U.S.-Mexico Border? In an excerpt from this week’s Insider episode, Preet Bharara and Joyce Vance break down a federal judge’s ruling blocking President Trump’s effort to declare an “invasion” at the border to limit asylum access in the U.S.  In the full episode, Preet and Joyce discuss two recent Supreme Court decisions. The first case affords parents of elementary school children a religious exemption to school lessons on LGBTQ+ storybooks. And the second case cleared the way for the Trump administration to deport a group of immigrants to South Sudan, even though they have no connection to the country. Plus, Attorney General Pam Bondi is facing blowback following DOJ’s disclosure that Jeffrey Epstein didn’t have a “client list” and wasn’t murdered. CAFE Insiders click HERE to listen to the full analysis. Not an Insider? Now more than ever, it’s critical to stay tuned. To join a community of reasoned voices in unreasonable times, become an Insider today. You’ll get access to full episodes of the podcast and other exclusive content. Head to cafe.com/insider or staytuned.substack.com/subscribe.  Subscribe to our YouTube channel. This podcast is brought to you by CAFE and Vox Media Podcast Network.  Executive Producer: Tamara Sepper; Supervising Producer: Jake Kaplan; Associate Producer: Claudia Hernández; Senior Audio Producer: Matthew Billy; Deputy Editor: Celine Rohr; CAFE Team: David Tatasciore, Nat Weiner, Noa Azulai, and Liana Greenway. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet and I are back with a new episode of The Insider podcast.

0:06.8

First, we discussed the blowback against Attorney General Pam Bondi, following DOJ's disclosure

0:11.9

that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have a client list and wasn't murdered. Next, we turn to a recent

0:17.1

Supreme Court case about parents who didn't want their elementary school children to take part in lessons that include LGBTQ plus storybooks. The justices sided with the parents,

0:27.1

saying they have a right to opt out based on their religious beliefs. Then we break down to

0:32.3

federal judge's ruling that stops President Trump from limiting who can apply for asylum in the U.S.

0:37.8

And finally, a Supreme Court decision that cleared the way for the Trump administration

0:41.5

to deport a group of immigrants to South Sudan, even though they have no connection to the country.

0:46.9

If you're a member of Cafe Insider, head to the insider feed or click the link in the show notes of this podcast to hear the full analysis.

0:55.2

Stay tuned, listeners, stick around for an excerpt from our conversation.

0:59.8

Members of Insider help support our work and get access to full episodes and other

1:04.3

subscriber benefits. Head to cafe.com slash insider or staytuned.substack.com. Now, on to the show.

1:17.5

So these cases in a sense are companion cases because they're both about deportation, but

1:22.5

they're very different. The South Sudan case, this is the issue of whether the United States can send people it's

1:29.1

deporting to a third country, not their country of origin. That's a shadow docket ruling by the

1:34.3

Supreme Court. And then the asylum case is a case where we've just had a ruling from a district

1:39.9

judge about the validity of Trump's effort to claim that there's an invasion on the southern

1:44.2

border to do any number of things, but in this case, to end the United States policy of

1:50.0

offering asylum to people in the country or upon entry.

1:53.7

Talking about the asylum case first, what's really important to keep in mind is a distinction

1:59.7

in the authority that a government and executive

2:02.1

branch or a president may have as between stopping someone from coming into the country,

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