This is the Jocco debrief podcast episode 16 with Dave Burke and me, Jocco Willink.

Before we jump in and debrief Dave, in case someone, this is, in cases this is the first

time someone's hearing the debrief podcast.

How would you explain it to people?

The debrief podcast is actually kind of me debriefing you on things that are going on at work.

So at echelonfront, I get to work with a whole bunch of different clients with all these

different situations and all these different things going on and I actually keep, try to

keep you up to speed on some of those and share with you some of the areas where you help

me solve these problems with the clients.

And some of it is me just kind of keeping you with the order of what's going on.

And there's a lot of overlap also with e of online because a couple of days, three days

a week, we're on usually you leading it and sometimes I'm on there with you and we're interacting

with clients through the e if online resource as well and they're asking questions.

So it was a way for me to combine the things that I'm giving you feedback and we kind of

turn into a podcast and to be clear.

All the things I'm telling you are sort of little variations or big variations of what

we're really going on.

It's not the actual client in the actual situation.

We adjust that so we're not revealing anybody or any particular industry, any particular

client.

But a lot of times that subject matter is really helpful.

So we were trying to distill down some of that to share with other leaders going through

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