And I spoke to the police about this, and I said, what are you going to do about this?

And he says, we haven't had any complaints, so there's no victims.

Perfect crime.

Wow.

Smashing Security, Episode 452, The Dark Web's Worst Assassins, and Pegasus in the Dock,

with Graham Cluelly and special guest Joe Tidy.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 452. My name's Graham Cluelly. And I'm Joe Tidy. Hello, hello and welcome to Smash Insecurity Episode 452. My name's Graham Cluelly. And I'm Joe Tidy. Joe, welcome back to the show. Lovely to have you on again. Of course, you are the author of

Control Alt Chaos, the book which we were talking about last year, about some of the astonishing

hacking, particularly that case which happened with the Vastamo

psychotherapy clinic over in Finland and the chap who was behind all of that.

For my money, the cruelest cyber attack in history, I just think, you know, there hasn't

been one that's been so nasty, insidious.

And, you know, the fact that he, Julius Kivamaki, went directly after the patients and emailed

them and said, I've got your therapy notes, pay me or I'll publish them online. You know, the impact that had on people was absolutely enormous. And that's what the book addresses. And also this kind of cycle that we're in where young boys fall down a dark path towards cybercrime. Yeah, it's a really interesting book. I've greatly enjoyed reading it.

Thank you.

And it's coming out in the United States, isn't it? Yeah, North America, so United States and Canada. It came out last year in the UK and Europe and I think other places, Australia as well. But yeah, big launch in the US and Canada now this week. Very excited. But that's not the only thing that's been keeping you busy,

because of course you are the cyber correspondent over on the BBC, and you've also been pumping

out some episodes recently of the cyber hack podcast, too. Yeah, it's Evil Corps. So I'm sure

the listeners of Smashing Security will know Evil Corps, the infamous Russian cyber gang. I described them as

kind of like the cockroaches of cyber, because they just won't die. They sort of evolve as the

cybercrime underworld has changed and shifted. So they started off in like banking Trojans in the

early days, sort of 2009, 10, and then moved into ransomware. Now there's pretty decent evidence that they could

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