We created the internet and told people to click on things.

And then we created security and said, don't click on things.

What?

Obviously people are going to click on things.

So it's, oh, anyway.

Smashing Security, Episode 453, the Epstein Files didn't hide this hacker very well, with Graham Cluley and special guest Trisha Howard.

Hello, hello, and welcome to Smashing Security episode 453. My name's Graham Cluley.

And I'm Trisha Howard.

Tricia, welcome back to the show. Lovely to have you here once again.

Oh my gosh, thanks for having me again. Are you kidding me? This is great.

Now, since we last spoke, you have changed jobs. You've moved from one cybersecurity firm,

and you're helping set up a brand new one,

aren't you? I am. Yes, I just joined as head of marketing at a startup focused on insider threat.

Oh, okay. It sounds interesting. Well, more to come, no doubt, when you unveil yourselves to the

world. Yes. And just to remind people, your head of marketing now, but what's

your background in cybersecurity? Where's your expertise been, Trisha? So I started back as a theater

major who ended up accidentally in sales and moved all the way through marketing and tried

some security research. And I've kind of dabbled any and everywhere.

So where my heart lies is in the technical malware analysis, your zero-day stuff, the really fun.

And I try and make those stories sound very interesting and creative and musical most of the time.

It is so fascinating how people can come from a wide variety of backgrounds and end up in this ridiculous world of cybersecurity.

And people can bring so many capabilities and unique talents because of that.

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