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The Dark Truth About Self-Help Books | Exclusive Interview with Mark Manson (The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck)

Marketing School - Digital Marketing and Online Marketing Tips

Eric Siu and Neil Patel

Business, Marketing, Careers

4.61.4K Ratings

🗓️ 11 October 2023

⏱️ 100 minutes

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Summary

Mark Manson, the author of 'The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck,' sat down with Eric Siu for a one-on-one interview to talk about his journey to 1 million subscribers on YouTube, personal growth, the books he has written, his perspective on the self-help industry, and more.  TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: (00:00) - Mark Manson on the self-help industry (03:00) - Mark Manson's YouTube channel growth (03:39) - YouTube is the most important platform today (06:00) - Mark Manson talks about his experience in traditional media (09:30) - Mark Manson talks about how his content evolved over time (10:52) - The concept of "Content Moat" (14:29) - Mark Manson talks about how he's developing his content production (15:40) - How Mark Manson hit 1 million subscribers on YouTube (18:11) - The most impressive creators on YouTube right now for Mark Manson (21:00) - Nate O'Brien is done with YouTube (21:41) - Creator burnout is normal and part of the process (23:50) - "Debulshtize the self-help industry" - Mark Manson (26:47) - Why Mark Manson thinks Alex Hormozi is brilliant (30:55) - Mark Manson's perfect level of fame (36:40) - Mark Manson on building an audience (37:41) - The Will Smith book deal (40:50) - Is it really worth it to write a book? (42:14) - Mark Manson talks about his content team structure, spending, and online reach (45:14) - How many books Mark Manson has sold so far (45:26) - Mark Manson talks about 'The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fck' (48:19) - Mark Manson talks about his blogs and SEO (50:50) - Mark Manson talks about his mid-life crisis (58:48) - How can people stop caring about what other people think about them? (01:06:57) - Happiness comes from solving problems (01:08:19) - Trying to avoid rejection is a sense of entitlement (01:10:00) - Mark Manson on therapies (01:16:16) - Mark's journey from being a self-help junkie to a professional in the industry (01:17:00) - Mark Manson on building a community (01:21:04) - Mark Manson talks about his most famous quote on the fundamentals of life. (01:23:09) - What does a healthy relationship look like for Mark Manson? (01:24:30) - Mark Manson on marriage (01:31:10) - Modern-day dating advice (01:40:20) - Check out Mark Manson's YouTube channel Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more! Go to https://www.marketingschool.io to learn more! Don’t forget to help us grow by subscribing and liking on YouTube! Subscribe to Mark Manson’s YouTube Channel Mark Manson's newsletter Leave Some Feedback: What should we talk about next? Please let us know in the comments below Did you enjoy this episode? If so, please leave a short review. Connect with Us:  Single Grain << Eric’s ad agency NP Digital << Neil’s ad agency X @neilpatel  X @ericosiu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0

What do you think has made the self-help industry yucky? Is it like low-quality content and then like super high prices and just leaves everyone with the bad taste like what is it so everything in self-help is very abstract right if I promise to make you happier like how do you measure that there's not really any objective way to measure it so it lends itself to very creative marketers because you can basically make any promise whatsoever yeah and it's not really refutable you know so it tends to

0:30.0

attract very aggressive marketing on the one side and then on the other side the customer base is particularly vulnerable right like what's the first thing you learn when you learn to copyright it's find the pain point yeah like find their insecurity and then just fucking needle at it and then hit the objection

0:49.0

just like merciless like i said oh you are you're insecure about your you your body oh let me tell you ugly you are for like four paragraphs and with self-help you are dealing with a particularly vulnerable audience with like very deep insecurities and and a lot of people were a very low point in their life so you have this combination of like

1:11.9

promising because it's more profitable.

1:14.9

And then a very vulnerable customer base

1:18.2

that you don't wanna fuck with their expectations too much

1:22.8

because you might really like harm somebody, right?

1:25.7

And I think the combination of those two things

1:28.0

has just given it a slimy reputation

1:31.8

and left the very bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

1:35.6

I do think it's getting better,

1:38.0

but it's still a long way to go.

1:41.1

How big's your YouTube right now?

1:42.6

More so how many views are you getting per month

1:44.4

and then subscribers less of a big deal?

1:47.0

Yeah, so it's about a million subscribers.

1:49.6

And then I think we're doing two and a half

1:53.8

and three million views each other.

1:55.8

The first thing that we talked about was,

1:58.3

we had this mandate with the three of us,

2:01.1

we're at this conference, right?

2:02.1

We're at the all-in summit and we went on this fairs wheel.

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