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listen. Let's make every conversation a winning negotiation. Patrick, thanks for joining us today. Hey, Kwame, boom, let's do something big. I'm excited to have you, man. We have been engaging on LinkedIn for years now.

So it's great that we're able to finally meet.

And I feel like this is long overdue.

So how would you get us started by telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do?

Really, I started working as a little boy.

So my view of the world is a little bit different than others.

I joined the publishing business. Very very young. I went and did a co-op when I was in high school. And they said, do you want to go off and check out the steel factory, Pat? And I went, no, I don't think so. There's a newspaper in town, a Daily, the Hamilton Spectator. I'd like to go there. They said, sure. So they sent me, I walked in, there's all these people smoking cigarettes,

drinking coffee, making little drawings and stuff like that. They're on the phone. They were

a great time. And I thought, oh my God, that's me. I belong here. This is fun. So I went back to

high school and I said, I don't do sciences. I don't do math. I don't do

do geography. I don't do history. They said, what do you do? I said, anything this business, otherwise I'm not in, you've got to find something else from you to do. So long story short is, is that I did switch over, but I was many times the only guy in the class. It was all female. Because in those days, what they did was they trained women to work in

office environments.

After the Second World War, women who were making munitions and trucks and tanks and all

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