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The Michael Shermer Show

The Cultural History of Charles Fort and His Followers

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Science, Natural Sciences

4.31K Ratings

🗓️ 25 August 2024

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Charles Fort, a maverick writer, fascinated by bizarre occurrences like flying saucers, Bigfoot, and frogs raining from the sky, scanned newspapers and magazines for reports of anomalies, advancing a philosophy that saw science as a small part of a larger system where truth and falsehood constantly transformed. His work found a following of skeptics who questioned not only science but also the press, medicine, and politics, led by the adman and writer Tiffany Thayer, who founded the Fortean Society. Joshua Blu Buhs argues in Think to New Worlds that the Fortean movement provided tools to expand the imagination, explore the social order, and demonstrate power dynamics, inspiring science fiction writers, avant-garde modernists, and post-World War II flying saucer enthusiasts to uncover the hidden structures of reality in an ever-expanding universe filled with unexplained occurrences and visionary possibilities.

Joshua Blu Buhs is a scholar of the overlap of politics, biology, and ecology in twentieth-century America and has written articles that have appeared in Isis, Environmental History, The World of Genetics, and Journal of the History of Biology. His PhD is in the history of science from Penn State. He is the author of Bigfoot: The Life and Times of a Legend and The Fire Ant Wars: Nature, Science, and Public Policy in Twentieth-Century America, both published by the University of Chicago Press. His new book is Think to New Worlds: The Cultural History of Charles Fort and His Followers.

Shermer and Buhs discuss his research and writing on weird phenomena like Bigfoot, Charles Fort, Fortean followers, anomaly hunting, science fiction, UFOs, skeptics, and the cultural impact of Fortean ideas that blurred the boundaries between truth and falsehood, undermining expert authority and fueling conspiracies.

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show. The Michael Sherber Show Well, I love the idea of your other two books before we get into the

0:28.4

the Fortian one with all the anomalies and weird things that I love to talk about. Just say a few things about

0:35.2

your your other books the Fire Ant Wars. What is the fire? I vaguely remember that. Fire ants

0:41.6

were considered to be super dangerous and bad or something like that?

0:45.0

Yeah, so back in the 40s, fire ants were imported from South America by accident or an

0:50.4

invasive pest. USDA started trying to eradicate them with some pretty toxic chemicals.

0:58.0

This was actually one of the causes that Rachel Carson took up, and so there was a lot of controversy over this and so I kind of investigate that controversy

1:06.4

as kind of a beginning of environmentalism.

1:14.0

Go ahead. No, no, no, go.

1:15.0

No, go.

1:16.0

And then, and then I picked up.

1:19.0

I was kind of interested in that kind of idea of how a creature is constructed and so that kind of led me to

1:26.0

Bigfoot which was also another creature that was constructed and so that that

1:30.8

story is more interested by in kind of the people who were interested in Bigfoot.

1:37.7

I'm not really a book about whether Bigfoot exists or what doesn't exist, but who was interested in how this kind of

1:44.4

creature became defined in the popular culture how this became a monster that we all

1:50.3

know about and can and can refer to.

1:54.0

Yeah, I'm fascinated by that as well.

1:56.2

The myth-making that surrounds it.

1:58.8

I mean, initially, you know, crypto zoology,

2:01.1

it's not the paranormal, the the supernatural it's just really a

2:04.0

question of biology whether they exist or they don't I mean the mountain gorilla

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