Are We Confused About Social Justice? (Helen Pluckrose)
The Michael Shermer Show
Michael Shermer
4.3 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 27 August 2024
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
The stated goals of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs are often reasonable, if not noble—to create a more welcoming and inclusive environment for all. Yet, as more and more people are discovering, DEI as commonly practiced isn't a natural extension of past civil rights movements or an ethical framework for opposing discrimination on the grounds of race, sex, etc. Rather, it is inextricably connected with an illiberal and authoritarian ideology—Critical Social Justice—that demands adherence to its tenets and punishes any dissent from its dogma.
Even the mildest questions about Critical Social Justice claims—that all white people are racists, that all underrepresented minorities are oppressed, that sex and gender differences have no biological basis, that censorship is a necessary good—are regularly met by DEI trainers and HR officers with pat commands: "Educate yourself," "Do the work," "Listen and learn." At work, raises, promotions, and future employment often depend on our nodding approval of such claims. At school, grades, nominations, and awards are often contingent upon our active agreement with these beliefs. In our daily lives, Critical Social Justice ideology poses a genuine threat not only to our fundamental rights but also to the future of our democratic systems, but if we suggest this, we risk being canceled or shunned by community members. When facing a choice between silent submission and risky if ethical opposition, what is a person to do?
While a growing number of groups concerned about the nature of Critical Social Justice have begun to attack it from the top down through legal, financial, and political means, The Counterweight Handbook takes a decidedly different and novel approach. It works from the bottom up and is written to empower individuals who wish to combat Critical Social Justice in their personal and professional lives. Based on the author's years of experience studying, exposing, and fighting Critical Social Justice ideology and advising individuals and organizations struggling with it, The Counterweight Handbook is designed to help people address Critical Social Justice problems in the most ethical and effective way possible. It not only offers principled responses to the main claims of Critical Social Justice but also teaches individuals what to do when they are asked to affirm beliefs they do not hold, undergo training in an ideology they cannot support, or submit to antiscientific testing and retraining of their "unconscious" minds. In short, it is for all of us who believe in freedom of speech and conscience, who wish to push back against the hostile work and educational environments Critical Social Justice has created, and who want to stand up for our individual liberties and universal rights.
Helen Pluckrose is a liberal political and cultural writer and was one of the founders of Counterweight. A participant in the Grievance Studies Affair probe that highlighted problems in Critical Social Justice scholarship, she is the coauthor of Cynical Theories and Social (In)justice. She lives in England and can be found on X @HPluckrose
Shermer and Pluckrose discuss: origin of the problem • DEI and CRT • what it means to "Educate yourself," "Do the work," "Listen and learn." • top-down vs. bottom-up counter measures • race reckoning • antiracism • gender ideology • decolonizing and dismantling • fragility • intersectionality • normativity • positionality • privilege • wokeness.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show. The Michael Sherber Show My podcast guest today returning champion Helen Pluckrose, the liberal political and |
| 0:30.6 | cultural writer and was one of the founders of counterweight, a |
| 0:33.9 | participant in the grievance study affair probe, we call that was with Pete |
| 0:39.9 | Bogozian and James Lindsay, in which they highlighted problems in critical |
| 0:44.8 | social justice scholarship by writing these faux papers and submitting them to |
| 0:49.2 | peer-reviewed journals where they were accepted. She's the co-author of the book |
| 0:53.6 | Synical Theories, which she was on this show for before, and Social Injustice. |
| 0:59.1 | Here's the new book. It's called the Counterweight Handbook. |
| 1:04.1 | Principal strategies for surviving and defeating |
| 1:07.2 | critical social justice at work in schools and beyond. |
| 1:11.8 | I love that cover, Helen. That that's pretty cool what a great idea. |
| 1:14.1 | I look at count weight colors. Yeah yeah no the colors are great and the little |
| 1:19.6 | teeter totter there with the stones that's great so you're in |
| 1:24.2 | England now I am yes I'm here in East London yes yeah what do you and what do you do |
| 1:31.0 | aren't you aren't you aren't you publishing a and magazine or have you counterweight I handed it over to Iona and it has now been taken up by Colette. |
| 1:47.0 | So I'm just focusing fully on consulting with employers mostly about how to get critical social justice out of |
| 1:56.0 | workplaces. So that's what the there's an organization called counterweight upon |
| 2:00.9 | which this book is written. |
| 2:03.0 | Yes, yes, we formed counterweight at the height of the protest in 2020 |
| 2:10.0 | when so many businesses started making big statements and pledges and |
| 2:17.0 | implementing policies and training programs that were making people |
| 2:20.6 | affirm things they didn't believe and I got hundreds of emails a day. |
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