Hey, with pod listeners, happy new year and given the holiday, we're going to reshare one of our most memorable conversations, one that's really stuck with me.

It's one I've thinking about recently because we just did a related conversation about universal basic income.

And so be sure to listen through to the end as we have some updates on this topic.

From what I've heard, the perception is changing, but very slowly.

But we do see a lot of pushback from, you know, people of the, you know, of a different party, especially the conservative party

in Canada, we do get a lot of pushback on deservingness, on how they spend the money,

and whether it's a worthy investment, and how do we pay for this program. And we're, obviously,

we're working and cooperating with them to nail out these details

but as you said Chris at the beginning

this is a rational approach. This saves

money at the end

and I just think it's

a no-brainer if we are

rational about this

then I hope that policymakers

and the public will eventually get on board with

a policy change.

Hello, and welcome to why this is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

You know, a few years ago, Pope Francis was talking about giving money to the poor, giving the money to charity, giving money to folks that are unhoused that you may encounter on the street.

Sometimes we call panhandlers.

And he, an interviewer asked, but if I give him money to a homeless man, he goes out and spends it on a glass of wine.

And Pope Francis said, you know, that's okay.

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