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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

What Happens When Americans Get $1,000 a Month Unconditional Cash Transfers? with Elizabeth Rhodes and David Broockman

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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🗓️ 24 December 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

What are the effects when you give $1,000 a month in unconditional cash transfers to low-income Americans for three years? Our guests this week studied the behavioral and political outcomes of this in a 3,000-person study. Elizabeth Rhodes is the research director for the Unconditional Cash Study at OpenResearch, a nonprofit research lab founded by OpenAI founder Sam Altman. David Broockman is an associate professor of political science at the University of California, Berkeley and worked as the principal investigator supporting the unconditional cash study. Together, they co-authored, along with others, a paper: "The Causal Effects of Income on Political Attitudes and Behavior: A Randomized Field Experiment.” Rhodes and Broockman join WITHpod to discuss some of the most surprising finds, why receiving cash overwhelmingly didn’t change people’s political leanings, how the money changed people’s attitudes about work and more.

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0:00.0

We asked people what policies would be most helpful to them, and we rank order then.

0:10.2

And cash was up there, but it wasn't one of the top few, but it was all things about, like, making other things affordable, like making healthcare affordable, making education affordable, bringing down the cost of housing.

0:21.9

They wanted to be able to make it on their own.

0:24.4

Like people fundamentally want to be able to make their ends meet.

0:27.9

You know, they don't want a handout and they want to be able to make it on their own.

0:35.6

Hello and welcome to Why Is This Happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

0:43.0

Well, I think like a lot of people, I've been consuming, voraciously consuming, all sorts of, you know, articles, reporting, data, polling, takes as I process the election.

0:56.9

One of the questions I keep coming back to,

1:01.0

and I think has kind of become a kind of central fixation for me, is just how much material conditions matter, basically to sort of simplify, like, is it the case that there's a fairly

1:06.0

simple story to tell about the last few years, which is that particularly from basically

1:10.5

the spring of 2021, which is that particularly from basically the spring of

1:11.8

2021, which was like after three different rounds of COVID stimulus and checks. And before

1:18.8

inflation took over, people were at essentially an all-time high in personal disposable income.

1:24.6

And then they just plummeted in real terms after that in the combination

1:28.9

of the cessation of checks and the rise of inflation. So people just got poorer in real terms

1:35.1

over the course of basically 2021 and 2023. And then the trend kind of reversed. Inflation started

1:40.8

to subside. Wages caught up. The economy grew and people were sort of back on the pre-COVID

1:45.2

trend, but the experience they'd had was this sort of experience of falling in a just clear dollars and

1:50.7

cents, material sense, and that that basically explains people saying the economy sucked and

1:56.0

voting for change. So that's one story. There's another story where if you aggregate together all the macroeconomic

2:01.7

variables and you align them with consumer sentiment, you find that they diverge in a way that they

2:07.3

haven't diverged in the past, which is to say the same basket of macroeconomic variables that did a

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