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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

The Case for a One-State Solution

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

Journalism, New York Times, Ross Douthat, News, Society & Culture

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2020

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The long-held hope of a two-state solution has dwindled under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his threat of annexation. After decades of calling for the preservation of the Jewish nation through two separate states, the political journalist and scholar Peter Beinart has changed his mind. This week on “The Argument,” he joins Ross and Michelle to make the case for a one-state solution. Then, Frank joins Michelle and Ross for a discussion about Barack Obama and George W. Bush, and what they should be doing to defeat President Trump in November. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michele Goldberg.

0:05.0

I'm Frank Bruney.

0:06.0

I'm Ross Douthet, and this is the argument.

0:22.0

Today is a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine finished, and what ideas might take

0:28.4

its place?

0:30.4

Then should Barack Obama be doing more to defeat Donald Trump?

0:34.4

And what about George W. Bush?

0:36.4

What are the obligations of past presidents in 2020?

0:40.4

Finally, a recommendation.

0:45.4

Back in January, President Trump announced a Jared Kushner device plan for peace in the Middle East.

0:50.4

It was more favorable to Israel than prior blueprints, and it left Palestinian sovereignty deeply compromised.

0:57.4

The plan didn't go anywhere, but it was an indicator of how the debate has changed in the last decade.

1:02.4

Benjamin Netanyahu's government is now threatening formal annexations of strategic pieces of Palestinian territory,

1:09.4

a move that signals comfort with permanent occupation.

1:13.4

The Sunni Arab world, meanwhile, has been largely silent.

1:17.4

As it's warm to Israel, tacitly cooperating with Netanyahu's government against Iran,

1:22.4

the Palestinian cause has been left increasingly orphaned.

1:26.4

Which brings us to the two-state solution.

1:29.4

It's been a default position for most American Jews, liberal Jews especially, and the Israeli center for going on decades.

1:37.4

But now, some thinkers are turning to more radical ideas.

1:41.4

One of them is Peter Bynart, the editor at large of Jewish currents, and a professor of journalism and political science at City University.

1:49.4

Peter wrote an op-ed for us, entitled, Why I No Longer Believe in a Jewish State,

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