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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

A Conversation With Tammy Duckworth

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

Journalism, New York Times, Ross Douthat, News, Society & Culture

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2020

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois joins the Frank, Ross and Michelle for a four-way interview about monuments and Tucker Carlson, Russian bounties in Afghanistan, Medicare for all and taking care of a multigenerational family in a pandemic. Plus, what’s harder: home schooling a 5-year-old or flying a Black Hawk helicopter? Then, Frank recommends an album that offers a little hope, even if hope is a dangerous thing to have. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument. Editor’s note: At 18:58, Senator Duckworth says universal background checks are supported by 95 percent of Americans. Polling generally finds support for universal background checks between 84 and 94 percent.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.5

I'm Ross Douthard.

0:02.8

I'm Frank Bruney, and this is the argument.

0:18.5

12 years ago, I was co-piloting a black hawk helicopter

0:24.1

over Iraq.

0:25.7

A rocket propell grenade ripped through our cockpit,

0:29.7

and I am only here tonight because of the miracles that

0:33.5

followed.

0:34.7

Some I can explain, like the bravery of my crew,

0:39.2

determine not to leave me behind.

0:42.3

Some I can't, like the shrapnel from the explosion,

0:45.6

passing through the spinning rotor blades

0:48.0

without destroying them, allowing us to land.

0:52.6

What I do know is that I started that day doing what I loved.

0:59.4

I ended it knocked down, surviving only because my body's

1:05.1

refused to leave me and wouldn't stop, even as they

1:09.5

struggle to carry my body with its missing limbs.

1:15.1

Senator Tammy Duckworth is a fighter and a trailblazer.

1:18.8

She became an Army helicopter pilot and flew combat missions

1:22.2

in Iraq where she lost both legs and earned a purple heart.

1:26.5

Determined to continue serving her country back home,

1:29.6

she won election to Congress, where she spent four years

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