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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

The British ambassador spills the tea on Biden, Sunak, & Ukraine

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.0 • 1.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 July 2023

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

This weekend, President Joe Biden is headed to Europe. His first stop: the U.K. Biden is scheduled to meet with both His Royal Highness King Charles, an old acquaintance and fellow head of state; and the Right Honorable Rishi Sunak, Britain’s prime minister and a fellow head of government – who just visited Biden in Washington this past month.  On the agenda for these meetings: climate change, the war in Ukraine, and the “Atlantic Declaration” – that’s the diplomatic term for Biden and Sunak’s push to renew the U.K. and America’s partnership across a host of economic and security issues facing the West.  Joining to talk about these issues as well as Britain and America’s special relationship is Karen Pierce, the British Ambassador to the United States. Pierce is one of the U.K.’s most experienced diplomats, having held an array of senior positions including ambassadorships to the U.N., the WTO, and Afghanistan; as well as directing British policy throughout South Asia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan during some key years of the War on Terror.  On this episode of Playbook Deep Dive, Pierce tells host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza what Sunak hopes to get out of Biden’s trip to London; how Britain and America’s relationship has changed throughout her many years of service; how the war in Ukraine is driving the two countries closer – and occasionally further apart; who Brits admire the most in our nation’s history; and what her secrets are for dealing with cagey diplomats on the other side of the bargaining table. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Karen Pierce is the British Ambassador to the U.S.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This weekend, President Joe Biden is headed to Europe. His first stop, the UK.

0:08.0

Biden is scheduled to meet with both his Royal Highness King Charles,

0:11.6

an old acquaintance and fellow head of state, and the right honorable Rishi Sunak,

0:16.8

Britain's Prime Minister, and a fellow head of government, who just visited Biden in Washington

0:21.9

this past month. On the agenda for these meetings, climate change, the war in Ukraine,

0:27.2

and the Trans-Atlantic Declaration. That's the diplomatic term for Biden and Sunak's push

0:33.1

to renew Britain and America's partnership across a host of economic and security issues facing

0:38.3

the West. So we could think of no one better here in Washington to discuss the US and the UK's

0:43.9

special relationship, the war in Ukraine, and the implications for this very weighty moment in

0:48.8

diplomatic history, then Karen Pierce, the British ambassador to the United States.

0:57.2

I'm Ryan Liza. This is Playbook Deep Dive.

1:04.4

When it comes to diplomatic service in the UK, the ambassador ship to the US is the pinnacle of

1:10.9

achievement. Before she arrived in Washington, Pierce held an array of senior positions,

1:16.4

including ambassador ships to the UN, the WTO, and Afghanistan. She also directed British

1:22.2

policy throughout South Asia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan during some key years of the war on terror.

1:28.2

What Pierce is no stranger to this town, she served here early in her career, and now in her

1:33.0

second posting, she has used her insider's knowledge of Washington and its players to ascend to

1:38.1

the top of a lesser known hierarchy. She is the diplomatic corps top socialite, well known as much

1:44.5

for her shrewd insights about the peculiarities of Russian diplomats, as she is for hosting Suarez

1:50.4

for Washington's elite. And as you'll hear, Pierce, like many in her profession,

1:56.1

views her ability to pack a room with powerful people as a critical part of her job, gathering

2:01.7

insights and intelligence about what's really going on in Washington to report back to London.

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