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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Rahm “the un-diplomat” Emanuel reports from Japan

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

News, Government, Politics

4.01.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2023

⏱️ 44 minutes

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In American politics, there is a small group of leaders who are – to borrow a term from Hollywood – hit makers. Everything they touch seems to turn to gold.  There is perhaps no better example of this in Democratic politics than Rahm Emanuel. For those who need a refresher, Rahm is a former Bill Clinton advisor, turned Illinois Congressman, turned DCCC chair, turned Barack Obama chief of staff, turned mayor of Chicago… and currently, he is Joe Biden’s ambassador to Japan. In his new posting, Rahm has been at the forefront of new multi-lateral agreements between the U.S., Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines; he is agitating for allies to stop what he calls “Chinese economic coercion;” and he has been a key player in a controversial effort to legalize same-sex marriage in Japan.  This week, Rahm joined Playbook co-author and Deep Dive host Ryan Lizza to talk about his role organizing our allies around Putin and China; how hardnose politics is actually great for diplomacy; and why – even when you’re dealing with the president of the United States – it’s still much better to beg for forgiveness, than to ask for permission. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Rahm Emanuel is the U.S. Ambassador to Japan.Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In American politics, there is a small group of leaders who are, to borrow a term from Hollywood,

0:05.4

hitmakers.

0:10.6

Everything they touch seems to turn to gold.

0:16.4

There is perhaps no better example of this in democratic politics than Rom, a manual.

0:21.2

For those of you who need a refresher,

0:23.1

Rom is a former Bill Clinton advisor, turned Illinois congressman, turned D-Triple C-chair,

0:29.0

turned Barack Obama chief of staff, turned mayor of Chicago, and currently,

0:34.3

he's Joe Biden's ambassador to Japan, and to add yet another honor to Rom's long career,

0:40.0

he's also this week's guest on the show.

0:44.0

I'm Ryan Liza, this is Playbook Feet Dive.

0:46.8

At 63, Rom, and everyone calls him Rom, has had quite a run in politics.

1:01.2

As D-Triple C-chair, he was instrumental in engineering the Democrats blow out win

1:05.9

in the 2006 midterms. As Obama's chief of staff, he was at the forefront of stimulus,

1:12.4

Obama care, Dodd Frank, and other big debates that defined the first half of the Obama presidency.

1:19.5

As mayor of Chicago, Rom led the nation's third largest city through one of its most tumultuous

1:24.8

periods. Unlike many politicians who go out of their way to be agreeable and to satisfy every

1:30.9

constituency, Rom is famously confrontational. Long ago, his aggressive style earned him the

1:39.2

nickname Rombo, after Stallone's 80s action hero, and many of his most prescient quotations have

1:45.2

been too thick with expletives to print. His style has served him well in some instances,

1:50.8

and it's been his downfall in others. Recently, in what might sound like a practical joke,

1:56.9

President Biden has given Rom a new assignment, to be a diplomat. Since March of 2022,

2:04.0

Rom has been the ambassador to Japan, and not surprisingly, he's shaken things up.

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