Hello and welcome back to drilled.

I'm Amy Westervelt.

Today we're bringing you the third part in the four-part mini-series from

communicating climate change podcast host Dickin Bonnevikone and Norwegian nonprofit Klima Kulmature,

the black thread about Norway's conflicted identity as both an oil state and a progressive

leader in the world. Today, episode three, challenging the narratives. Much of the ability

of Norway's oil industry to maintain its influence and continue with business as usual comes from the lack of questions being asked about its ideas and about how the world works.

At this episode, the black thread steps away from that norm and challenges industry rhetoric head on. Enjoy it.

Welcome back to The Black Thread, a podcast unraveling Norway's complex relationship with

prosperity, identity, and responsibility in a warming world.

I'm Dickon, a climate communications expert based in Oslo, the Norwegian capital,

tracing the black thread, oil, through Norway society and culture.

Last time, we delved into petro gander in Norway, hearing how critics perceive the industry's strategic use of sponsorships, advertising, and

storytelling work to uphold a narrative of oil normalization and acceptability. We learned how

oil interests are embedded in the boards of cultural institutions, government agencies, and even

the nation's schooling, whilst what many consider to be faded journalistic scrutiny contributes to the erosion of public awareness and debate.

Plus, we heard how oil and climate are often treated as separate issues in policy and how this shapes the limits of public discourse.

Yet both critics and industry voices agreed about one thing. Norway needs open discussions about its future, grounded in facts.

In this episode, we'll explore where the facts do and don't match up to the stories being told by Norway's fossil fuel industry,

amplified by its government and legitimized through a wealth of public outreach.

We'll hear experts challenge some of the most familiar narratives that keep Norwegian oil and gas pumping,

and industry voices will explain the logic behind their rhetoric.

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